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Post by Saevrok » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:16 pm

The politics section of this board is as mainstream and uninspired as the rest of the media based culture so I want to get something else going.

I want to see some theories on what is real and what isnt, what is possible and what isnt.

My view is very simple, I think anything is real as long as you believe it is and is not disproven to you, and I think that technically anything and everything is possible, although not probable.

Some life experiences here, I've tripped a time or two and the things I saw at the time were as real as anything I've ever seen when sober, sometimes more so. As a general rule I do not believe in anything aside from the fact that we weaken our species by attempting to preserve all life, that being said I think a lot of things exist. God, the devil, and all other things supernatural could be real as they have never been disproven sufficiently to me therefore they are possible. Conversely I think that it is unlikely that they exist so I count them as improbable.

Theres my opinion in a nutshell. Lets see some genuine conversation. The politics section of this board is as mainstream and uninspired as the rest of the media based culture so I want to get something else going.
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Re: Reality

Post by Kulaf » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:23 pm

I think anything is real as long as you believe it is and is not disproven to you
So what is your view on schizophrenia?

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Post by Saevrok » Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:57 pm

Its a chemical imbalance in the brain, the disproving occurs in the fact that with proper medication the symptoms can be made to become minimal. Thereby showing that its in your head. In the cases of people who's symptoms cannot be controlled, for them it is real.
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Post by Partha » Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:42 pm

This reads like a speech. Be sure and restate your thesis and audience benefit at the end for full credit!
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Post by Kulaf » Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:51 pm

Saevrok wrote:Its a chemical imbalance in the brain, the disproving occurs in the fact that with proper medication the symptoms can be made to become minimal. Thereby showing that its in your head. In the cases of people who's symptoms cannot be controlled, for them it is real.
Yes but even if it is real for them......it is not real for the rest of us. So you need to incorporate commonly accepted realities into your view. Perhaps none of us totally perceive reality......as we may not have the senses to do so. That does not mean that the reality that we do perceive is any less real.

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Post by Saevrok » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:13 pm

Yes but their percieved reality is all that is real to them or to any of us. Everything else has the possibility of being a figment of your imagination.
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Post by Harlowe » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:01 am

Saevrok wrote:The politics section of this board is as mainstream and uninspired as the rest of the media based culture so I want to get something else going.I want to see some theories on what is real and what isnt, what is possible and what isnt.

My view is very simple, I think anything is real as long as you believe it is and is not disproven to you, and I think that technically anything and everything is possible, although not probable.

Some life experiences here, I've tripped a time or two and the things I saw at the time were as real as anything I've ever seen when sober, sometimes more so. As a general rule I do not believe in anything aside from the fact that we weaken our species by attempting to preserve all life, that being said I think a lot of things exist. God, the devil, and all other things supernatural could be real as they have never been disproven sufficiently to me therefore they are possible. Conversely I think that it is unlikely that they exist so I count them as improbable.

Theres my opinion in a nutshell. Lets see some genuine conversation. The politics section of this board is as mainstream and uninspired as the rest of the media based culture so I want to get something else going.
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Post by Select » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:43 am

He wants to be so edgy, deep, and different from all of humanity that he oh-so hates. And all of us. This entire Public Speaking 101 speech probably gave him a boner. :lol:
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Post by Harlowe » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:00 pm

Select wrote:He wants to be so edgy, deep, and different from all of humanity that he oh-so hates. And all of us. This entire Public Speaking 101 speech probably gave him a boner. :lol:
Considering these are this other contributions from the same day....you're probably right.
The sooner you guys realize that the majority of humanity is a blight upon the world and should be purged with automatic gunfire the sooner you will be able to accept the fact that having morals and decency is a quaint novelty from a different time.
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Re: Reality

Post by Freecare Spiritwise » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:14 pm

Just run o' the mill nihilism.

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Post by Lurker » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:29 pm

Saevrok is as deep as the punchline to a 20 year old Dennis Miller joke.
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‘Hey, listen, man, how do I know that this whole planet isn’t just , like, an electron in a whole other atom?’

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Post by Select » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:38 pm

The sooner you guys realize that the majority of humanity is a blight upon the world
'Cause, y'know, he's the only one who has ever considered that and is here to educate all us peons who he assumes to be fond of said blight. :shock:
having morals and decency is a quaint novelty from a different time
And he still hasn't or can't respond to my question: "A different time? What different time? Human nature has been basically the same all throughout time." But maybe because he's so ~*~different~*~ and enlightened, it's impossible to educate all of us simple folk about this fantastic other time of pure moral.
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Post by Lurker » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:51 pm

Select wrote:And he still hasn't or can't respond to my question: "A different time? What different time?
Well, we'd apparently have to go back further than 2006.

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Post by Garrdor » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:55 pm

Just my thoughts and observations:

Reality is usually experienced from the inside-out, no the outside-in.

As you know we percieve in touch, sight, smell/taste, audio. These senses combined create our known reality/existence. Though, reality isn't perceive the same way by everything out there. The world is a much different place to, let's say, Helen Keller. Or, think about a Bat using sonar to map out their surroundings - or a moth that can smell and identify objects from miles away. They are hindered in one way of perception - 'gifted' in the other.

We have adapted to perceive only what we absolutely need to. Such is the way of life. Now, if you want to get into things we can't percieve... that MIGHT exist... I don't think we should worry about said things. Only through advancement (either biologically or technologically) we will find the answers that we need.
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Post by Taxious » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:16 pm

This thread screams Matrix quotes.
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Post by Freecare Spiritwise » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:40 pm

In my younger days I use to get sent to these corporate retreats where they did silly shit like teaching you to juggle and tried to brainwash corporate culture into you. Most of it was bullshit, but one thing has stuck in my head for 20 years and I still believe it.

Perception is reality.

Meaning: Whatever you think reality is, that's what it is. I think some important philosopher said as much (!?)

Whether you're the customer of a giant corporation or a patient in a mental institution, whatever you percieve, that is your personal reality. Now quite often, for most of us, there's a big overlap. If there wasn't, we wouldn't have much of a society. If we didn't agree on certain precepts then the world would be chaos. So there's personal reality and collective reality. Anyone that can't/won't participate in the collective reality is not considered functional within the system.

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Post by Select » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:43 pm

I agree with a a lot of that, Free, but sadly, I don't think that's what he was getting at since he mentioned tripping, etc.
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Post by Garrdor » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:30 pm

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Post by Saevrok » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:36 pm

Doesnt really give me a boner, but seeing how quickly you guys lept onto it instead of the discussion did make my dick twitch a little. As for my previous comments, I type exactly what I think whenever I'm thinking it. One would assume that would have become obvious, but apparently it needed to be clarified.The tripping was merely a reference to what altered mental states can do to your perception of reality, not to suggest that my entire discussion is based upon chemical usage. Another point I would have thought you would have been capable to discern, but alas my faith was misplaced. Anyways, now that the pointless defending of my post is finished I can continue at least for a time before more nonsense washes up.

I wouldnt say I hate mankind, I just do not believe it is worth saving. It is pitiful in its existence, as a whole we are defined by our struggles. The sad thing is more often than not these struggles often are of our own making. Ever since we ascended to the top of the foodchain, and even during the trek to the top, we have canabalized ourselves. To such a degree we bear no resemblence to the potential we should have, instead of uniting to expand past our limits, we slaughter one another for petty differences. Bigotry and intolerance are prevelant everywhere, more often than not people are more than happy to discount someones opinion simply due to political leaning. A fact that you can see evidenced on our own board. People are more likely to declare that the other side is lying than to believe that perhaps it isnt a lie but an outright ideological conflict. Most people assume that if an idea or personality conflicts with their own, then it must be incorrect. Once more a fact very gloriously represented by this small crossroads we call our board.

If people took the time to remove themselves from the conflict and take a neutral look at it, they would see that no one side is wrong. Almost everyone, everywhere thinks they are doing what they must for the greater good. From tyrants to saints, almost everyone thinks they are right. The percieve it as true, so therefore it is their reality. I do think that some perceptions of reality are actualy detrimental to humanity as a whole and must be resisted, but that is a view that I have developed by weighing the pros and cons of the afore mentioned perceptions. Not merely a kneejerk reaction to something at the time I could understand. I think that if the rest of the world would do the same then we would be truly worthy of existence, but I dont think we have any worry of that occuring in our childrens childrens lifetime. As we are defined by our struggles, humanity will not unite until something threatens them with complete destruction with no chance of survival. Then we will struggle against that until we prevail, or are destroyed, and then in the event of success we will experience relative peace for a time until we slide once more into our self destructive ways.

Anyways, thats enough from me for one day, it should be interesting to see how people respond. With the typical trivial nonsense or with a conversation, my moneys on nonsense. Then again perhaps I am simply nihilistic as you would like to believe.
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Re: Reality

Post by Select » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:42 pm

You talk a fancy speech, but it's nothing that hasn't been thought of or said before. It's nothing any of us here haven't blinked at already. You're not dropping wisdom and you're not enlightened because you do the very things you're preaching against in your borrowed speech.
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