De-Baptism

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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Taxious » Fri May 01, 2009 9:32 am

Baginns Hobbiton wrote:I get homosexuality shoved in my face all the time.
I get "homosexuality" shoved in my face all the time too! :wink:
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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Harlowe » Fri May 01, 2009 9:53 am

Taxious wrote:
Baginns Hobbiton wrote:I get homosexuality shoved in my face all the time.
I get "homosexuality" shoved in my face all the time too! :wink:
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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Klast Brell » Fri May 01, 2009 9:59 am

Dd. You took me a bit too literally. I don't think all Christians are exactly the same and think the same thoughts and have the same opinions. Just like almost all Republicans deviate from the party platform in some elements. It's a spectrum from 0% to 100%. The views I was trying to portray were supposed to be bigoted. Taken as a group they are extremely bigoted. The christian parody was not my personal opinion. But they are all reflections of opinions people have expressed. And I bet at least a few of them hit home to each person who read that.

There is a formal definitions of bigotry. Racism homophobia religious intolerance. I was thinking about a broader concept on the drive in to work this morning. I don't know if the word bigotry can be stretched out far enough to fit the whole thing. Now I'm just philosophizing here. Exploring an idea and seeing what you think. So don't hack me down too hard if you disagree. Humans are clannish, or tribal or whatever. We dislike outsiders. We naturally sort ourselves in to groups of us and them over all sorts of things. For some of those things it is considered socially acceptable to dislike and mistrust the "them". For others it is not. The ideas of what is an acceptable group identification and what is not is something that is in flux.

I'm going to use the word "hate" here, but it's not the right word. Reject, dislike, fear, mistrust etc is what I mean. It could be just one of those things or it could be all of them. Once upon a time it was perfectly acceptable to hate gay people. Once upon a time it was perfectly acceptable to hate Jews, blacks, and other groups. Having those attitudes today gets you labeled a bigot. But there are still lots of other group identifications that are considered acceptable. The jocks hate the nerds, and the nerds hate the jocks. The liberals hate the conservatives and the conservatives hate the liberals. In some areas of life it is encouraged. Ever been to a high school pep rally before the football game? My school rules! Your school sucks! But as times change and attitudes change outsiders become part of the tribe. It doesn't matter if you went to West high school and I went to east high school. We are both Packer fans and the Vikings suck. Meanwhile across the state line the Vikings fans hate the cheese heads. And that's all OK.

But when 2 sides square off on a political issue they seem to recruit people to their side by playing to that tribalism. Perhaps it's a conscious proses, perhaps it's unconscious. John Kerry was accused of being French. Now it's us (the Americans) Versus them (the French) and the rejection dislike mistrust etc lead to Freedom Fries. World war one saw Sauerkraut change to Victory Cabbage Wieners to Hot Dogs, and Hamburger to Salisbury Steak. The appeals to other forms of hate came up in other contests as well. McCain was accused of having a black baby. Obama was accused of being Muslim. And ironically enough, groups accuse each other of being bigots.

I think humanity is wired for this kind of Xenophobia. We use it to provide context to our conflicts. If we didn't we would be fighting against ourselves. I gave some examples of outsider labels that have been used by Republicans against Democrats. French, Muslim, socialist. I'm sure that there must be an equal collection of slurs used by Democrats against Republicans. All I can think of right now is Wingnuts. What other ones have you heard?
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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Harlowe » Fri May 01, 2009 10:05 am

That was a great, insightful post Klast. I read it twice. =)

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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Garrdor » Fri May 01, 2009 10:55 am

I get "homosexuality" shoved in my face all the time too!
actually, I heard YOU are the one shoving.

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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Alluveal » Fri May 01, 2009 2:01 pm

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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Select » Fri May 01, 2009 3:52 pm

Select... please keep arguing with Kulaf about how poor Klast can't get a liberal view in the biggest city in MN.
Oh, shove it. I don't think he'll ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~never~*~*~*~**~*~*~*~*~ run into a liberal view there. 100% of the people that city did not vote liberal. He could so happen to be running into those that didn't, which is a small group, but they do exist.

I don't think he worded his original posts the best and came across as generalizing. I took it as he wasn't, because I think he's too smart to make claims about an entire group. I'll read his most recent post later since the responses look like he worded it better.
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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Embar Angylwrath » Fri May 01, 2009 4:39 pm

Keep 'em coming Select. Nothing like watching a cornered cunt squirm.
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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Select » Fri May 01, 2009 4:45 pm

What are you talking about? 'Shove it' was because I dislike the word 'cunt' because I find it sexist. (See the thread in the political section).
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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Harlowe » Fri May 01, 2009 5:46 pm

She knows all Embar, don't fight it.

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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Ddrak » Sat May 02, 2009 7:17 am

Klast,

Bigoted views offend me, whether they be Christian, Atheist, Kluckers, Israeli, Arab or Aussie. I probably did take you too literally.

Humans are definitely clannish and xenophobic. We're wired that way whether you think it's from original sin, divine design or evolution from the formation of tribes being critical to survival. I think it's a trait that needs to be broken down because while it may have served us well in the past, it's certainly not serving us that well any more.

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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Embar Angylwrath » Sat May 02, 2009 9:19 am

Select wrote:What are you talking about? 'Shove it' was because I dislike the word 'cunt' because I find it sexist. (See the thread in the political section).
I think you've acheived Rsakian status in this thread! Your new name is Selsak.

This what you qoted from me...
Select... please keep arguing with Kulaf about how poor Klast can't get a liberal view in the biggest city in MN.
Followed by your response of...
Selsak wrote:Oh, shove it.
Followed by a lot of usual Selsak nonsense. Nothing about sexism, hell, "cunt" wasn't even mentioned in that post, by you or by me.

Go ahead and walk down Rsak Lane if you want, I'm enjoying the view.
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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Select » Sat May 02, 2009 11:39 am

That is the very point. Klast has selected a large group of people and then applied his opinions and views to them.
Baggins quote, but I think most people in this thread took his opinions that way.
I don't think he worded his original posts the best and came across as generalizing. I took it as he wasn't, because I think he's too smart to make claims about an entire group. I'll read his most recent post later since the responses look like he worded it better.
Dd. You took me a bit too literally. I don't think all Christians are exactly the same and think the same thoughts and have the same opinions. Just like almost all Republicans deviate from the party platform in some elements. It's a spectrum from 0% to 100%.
Eh, close enough.

Embar - If I didn't make my post clear enough, I'll see what I can do. Here is where you said the word
cuntish dumbshittery
I replied to that with "Oh shove it". I wish I had said "fuck off" since you used the word again in your next post.
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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Embar Angylwrath » Sat May 02, 2009 4:09 pm

But that's not what you quoted in your response, is it, Selsak? You're making no more sense now than you were with Kulaf. But keep trying to use Selsak illogic, its amusing to me to watch the contortions and fabrications.
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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Partha » Sat May 02, 2009 4:35 pm

I'm wondering where Jecks is to pronounce his utter horror with Embar's language. :roll:
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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Select » Sat May 02, 2009 5:14 pm

Only the first three words of my post were in response to your offensive word. The rest of my post replied to the quote. I guess I should've quoted your entire sentence for you to make sense of it, but you're really going to argue with me over three words and about whether or not I found something offensive? I think you're trying too hard.

Actually, twisting your tightie-whities into a bunch over three words in their own, separate sentence is an Rsakian thing to do, Embsak.

Partha, Jecks doesn't seem to frequent any of the boards besides the political section. If you want him, you'll have to enter his lair. If you can settle, Ara had jumped in on it and I think it was something Free never enjoyed. It'd be nice if Free were here to tell us what he thinks.
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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Select » Sat May 02, 2009 8:23 pm

I didn't know whether to put this into the political section in the torture thread or here. I felt it would fit best in the philosophy section in a thread where we were already discussing religion.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religi ... index.html
I think it's silly. What do you guys think?
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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Ddrak » Sun May 03, 2009 12:34 am

No surprises in that poll.

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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Torakus » Sun May 03, 2009 10:24 am

Ddrak wrote:No surprises in that poll.

Dd
From a historical perspective, I would have thought the Episcopalians and non-Hispanic Catholics would have been flip flopped in that poll, and I imagine that still might be the case outside of the U.S.

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Re: De-Baptism

Post by Embar Angylwrath » Sun May 03, 2009 12:36 pm

Select wrote:I didn't know whether to put this into the political section in the torture thread or here. I felt it would fit best in the philosophy section in a thread where we were already discussing religion.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religi ... index.html
I think it's silly. What do you guys think?
We think you're a drama-queen cunt.
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